Comments on: OpenLife and OpenSim http://justincc.org/blog/2008/11/07/openlife-and-opensim/ Justin Clark-Casey's personal website Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:20:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Open apology re: OpenLife - SLUniverse Forums http://justincc.org/blog/2008/11/07/openlife-and-opensim/comment-page-1/#comment-147 Open apology re: OpenLife - SLUniverse Forums Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:07:14 +0000 http://justincc.wordpress.com/?p=265#comment-147 [...] [...] [...] [...]

]]> By: justincc http://justincc.org/blog/2008/11/07/openlife-and-opensim/comment-page-1/#comment-146 justincc Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:40:33 +0000 http://justincc.wordpress.com/?p=265#comment-146 Thanks for the headsup, Keeper, I did amend the post. Thanks for the headsup, Keeper, I did amend the post.

]]> By: Keeper of the scrolls. http://justincc.org/blog/2008/11/07/openlife-and-opensim/comment-page-1/#comment-144 Keeper of the scrolls. Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:21:14 +0000 http://justincc.wordpress.com/?p=265#comment-144 Actually that was paragraph 3. You do not need to mod these posts through. I just wanted you to have current information. Actually that was paragraph 3.
You do not need to mod these posts through. I just wanted you to have current information.

]]> By: Keeper of the scrolls. http://justincc.org/blog/2008/11/07/openlife-and-opensim/comment-page-1/#comment-145 Keeper of the scrolls. Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:20:07 +0000 http://justincc.wordpress.com/?p=265#comment-145 Hi JustinCC. In paragraph two you have a link to a press release that seems to have been removed. Googlefoo found it in another spot: http://olxchange.ning.com/forum/topics/2311325:Topic:453 Here it is if you want to update it. Hi JustinCC.
In paragraph two you have a link to a press release that seems to have been removed. Googlefoo found it in another spot:
http://olxchange.ning.com/forum/topics/2311325:Topic:453
Here it is if you want to update it.

]]> By: Me http://justincc.org/blog/2008/11/07/openlife-and-opensim/comment-page-1/#comment-143 Me Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:17:12 +0000 http://justincc.wordpress.com/?p=265#comment-143 Nah, let's discuss it here. It was good enough to air out the dirty laundry on Openlife so what is happening there in the inner sanctum that needs to be hushed up? Can we get a blog post on this development please? Nah, let’s discuss it here. It was good enough to air out the dirty laundry on Openlife so what is happening there in the inner sanctum that needs to be hushed up?
Can we get a blog post on this development please?

]]> By: justincc http://justincc.org/blog/2008/11/07/openlife-and-opensim/comment-page-1/#comment-142 justincc Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:14:04 +0000 http://justincc.wordpress.com/?p=265#comment-142 @rjs. I haven't been around at all this weekend so I'm not sure what has been happening. Let's discuss this offline. @rjs. I haven’t been around at all this weekend so I’m not sure what has been happening. Let’s discuss this offline.

]]> By: rjs http://justincc.org/blog/2008/11/07/openlife-and-opensim/comment-page-1/#comment-141 rjs Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:00:22 +0000 http://justincc.wordpress.com/?p=265#comment-141 I take back what I said. There are certainly issues with some of the core development that need be resolved immediately. I’ve removed myself from any further testing on the linux platform due to the issues at this point. Maybe once the internal issues are resolved the progress will continue where all may participate and enjoy the software. But after what I have witnessed both yesterday evening and today on the mantis, I think there need be a change first with those that are bickering over the software direction. This is absurd and shows the lack of good will for those that participate in the software. There are a few whom need a reality check. If it’s open source, lets leave it open source. –rjs I take back what I said. There are certainly issues with some of the core development that need be resolved immediately.

I’ve removed myself from any further testing on the linux platform due to the issues at this point. Maybe once the internal issues are resolved the progress will continue where all may participate and enjoy the software. But after what I have witnessed both yesterday evening and today on the mantis, I think there need be a change first with those that are bickering over the software direction. This is absurd and shows the lack of good will for those that participate in the software.

There are a few whom need a reality check. If it’s open source, lets leave it open source.

–rjs

]]> By: rjs http://justincc.org/blog/2008/11/07/openlife-and-opensim/comment-page-1/#comment-140 rjs Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:20:55 +0000 http://justincc.wordpress.com/?p=265#comment-140 Just an opinion, but it doesn't matter really who did what when and where really. The kernel mailing list is always full of issues, arguments, and sometimes downright anger due to frustrations. People get past it for the most part and carry on the "bigger picture". You can usually tell when you start "Seeing_more_of_this". The underlines say hey "I mean it". I've been working with Opensimulator for about a year now. I started off slow and worked my way into wanting to do something with it. I have seen the ups and downs. But I would say that over all the progress in just under a year has been incredible. Much to do, more hurdles, more arguments. But people end up working it out. If you love the software you just do. I'm always happy to see the contributions. Things happen, but they are still contributors nevertheless. Onwards and upwards. I hope 2009 brings more people interested in the software. --rjs Just an opinion, but it doesn’t matter really who did what when and where really. The kernel mailing list is always full of issues, arguments, and sometimes downright anger due to frustrations. People get past it for the most part and carry on the “bigger picture”. You can usually tell when you start “Seeing_more_of_this”. The underlines say hey “I mean it”.

I’ve been working with Opensimulator for about a year now. I started off slow and worked my way into wanting to do something with it. I have seen the ups and downs. But I would say that over all the progress in just under a year has been incredible. Much to do, more hurdles, more arguments. But people end up working it out. If you love the software you just do.

I’m always happy to see the contributions. Things happen, but they are still contributors nevertheless.

Onwards and upwards. I hope 2009 brings more people interested in the software.

–rjs

]]> By: Me http://justincc.org/blog/2008/11/07/openlife-and-opensim/comment-page-1/#comment-133 Me Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:56:34 +0000 http://justincc.wordpress.com/?p=265#comment-133 No, OpenSim gave him the boot. Nebadon acted like a gloating child on Prokofy Neva's blog and on that thread you showed in your post for the dev list. It seems you all are going quite out of your way to banner the fact you guys did this. Maybe you feel justified but the public perception shows the truth. I mean really, did this warrant a blog post to explain your actions? If so then it must not be as clear cut as you are trying to imply. ;) Now, answer the question please. Did you all approach Sakai before you made the decision to push him away? So much effort in making blog posts and crying on Neva's blog and I doubt you all took the few minutes to Email him first and explain what was about to happen. So unprofessional. No, OpenSim gave him the boot. Nebadon acted like a gloating child on Prokofy Neva’s blog and on that thread you showed in your post for the dev list.

It seems you all are going quite out of your way to banner the fact you guys did this. Maybe you feel justified but the public perception shows the truth. I mean really, did this warrant a blog post to explain your actions? If so then it must not be as clear cut as you are trying to imply. ;)
Now, answer the question please. Did you all approach Sakai before you made the decision to push him away? So much effort in making blog posts and crying on Neva’s blog and I doubt you all took the few minutes to Email him first and explain what was about to happen. So unprofessional.

]]> By: justincc http://justincc.org/blog/2008/11/07/openlife-and-opensim/comment-page-1/#comment-139 justincc Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:43:41 +0000 http://justincc.wordpress.com/?p=265#comment-139 @Orion - the OpenSim logo (seen at the top of the http://opensimulator.org wiki page) should probably play this role, along with some additional buttons perhaps. The question of how it can be used needs to be raised (since it's not currently completely clear). @G2 - thanks G2, I look forward to your contributions! @Jani - I am glad to hear that. I will look forward to seeing these contributions. @Me - nobody gave Sakai 'the boot' - his organization stopped participating of its own accord. Anybody is welcome to come and contribute to the OpenSim project (though contributions that come in the form of code patches cannot always be accepted, sometimes due to technical grounds and sometimes due to license issues). @Gumby - I don't think that this is mud slinging - I believe that the facts speak for themselves. Regarding stability, it is true that we have issues in this area and will have them for some period to time. Part of this is because we are an alpha level project - the code is simply too immature to be all that stable. However, the other part of this is that we simply don't have the manpower to maintain a stable branch (and this is going to slowly become more important). If OpenLife were to contribute some effort towards this then in conjunction with other contributors it might become feasible. Until OpenLife actively contribute patches towards stability (and from Jani words this may happen in the future), then the work you are doing and the money you are paying benefits only OpenLife, not OpenSim. @Orion - the OpenSim logo (seen at the top of the http://opensimulator.org wiki page) should probably play this role, along with some additional buttons perhaps. The question of how it can be used needs to be raised (since it’s not currently completely clear).

@G2 - thanks G2, I look forward to your contributions!

@Jani - I am glad to hear that. I will look forward to seeing these contributions.

@Me - nobody gave Sakai ‘the boot’ - his organization stopped participating of its own accord. Anybody is welcome to come and contribute to the OpenSim project (though contributions that come in the form of code patches cannot always be accepted, sometimes due to technical grounds and sometimes due to license issues).

@Gumby - I don’t think that this is mud slinging - I believe that the facts speak for themselves.

Regarding stability, it is true that we have issues in this area and will have them for some period to time. Part of this is because we are an alpha level project - the code is simply too immature to be all that stable. However, the other part of this is that we simply don’t have the manpower to maintain a stable branch (and this is going to slowly become more important). If OpenLife were to contribute some effort towards this then in conjunction with other contributors it might become feasible.

Until OpenLife actively contribute patches towards stability (and from Jani words this may happen in the future), then the work you are doing and the money you are paying benefits only OpenLife, not OpenSim.

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